Re: Another apologetical mess up

From: Adam Crowl (qraal@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Mar 26 2000 - 04:07:35 EST

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    Hi ASA

    I think one of the most annoying things about Creationist rhetoric is the
    way it confuses the appearance of a phyla, regardless of how "primitive" the
    initial examples might be, with the modern article. Like Phyla have not
    evolved over time - as palaeontologists have been aware since last century.

    I think Simon Conway Morris' discussion of this issue [in "Crucible of
    Creation"] is very informative, that the "sudden appearance" maybe more
    related to the category "phyla" than any actual biological reality in the
    fossils. Take all the supposed taxonomically "new" pseudo-phyla of the
    Cambrian - supposedly never before seen using traditional Linnean
    taxonomies, but when cladistics is applied a clear case of evolution
    appears. As is so often misunderstood, higher-level evolution is a
    feature-by-feature gaining of characters by organisms, NOT an all-at-once
    "transition". "Transitional forms" as discussed by Creationists, are a myth
    as far as I can tell. They confuse species-to-species intermediates [very
    rarely documented sufficiently by the fossils] with higher-order transitions
    in order to score rhetorical points with the naive.

    Adam

    >From: "glenn morton" <mortongr@flash.net>
    >To: <asa@calvin.edu>
    >Subject: Another apologetical mess up
    >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:39:38 -0000
    >
    >Reasons to Believe has come up with another factually inaccurate article
    >about the Cambrian explosion. Fazale Rana writes:
    >
    > "Fossils previously found in Yunnan province (at sites discovered nearly
    >100 years ago) and in the Burgess Shale deposits of the Canadian Rockies
    >tell us that all animal phyla (more than 70) ever to exist in Earth's
    >history appeared 'at once' about 540 million years ago. (Some 40 phyla have
    >since disappeared and not a single now one has appeared.)" Fazale R. Rana,
    >"Cambrian Flash," Connections First Quarter 2000, p. 3
    >
    >While it is true that the majority of the phyla do appear in the Cambrian
    >(but not all at once) there is one animal phyla that has no fossil record
    >and was only discovered in 1995. The report can be found at: Petar Funch
    >and
    >Reinhardt Mobjerg Kristensen, "Cycliophora is a new phylum with affinities
    >to Entoprocta and Ectoprocta," Nature, 378, Dec. 14, 1995, p. 711.
    >
    >Now it is also not true that all phyla appeared in the Cambrian. Some
    >appear
    >in the Precambrian. Sponges, plylum Porifera, appear in the Precambrian:
    >see
    >Martin Brasier, Owen Green and Graham Shields, "Ediacarian Sponge Spicule
    >Clusters from Southwestern Mongolia and the Origins of the Cambrian Fauna,"
    >Geology 25(1997):4:303-306, p. 303
    >The ediacaran is Precambrian.
    >
    >Mollusks also are found below the Cambrian: see Fedonkin, M. A., and B.M.
    >Waggoner. 1997. The late Precambrian fossil Kimberella is a mollusc-like
    >bilaterian organism. Nature 388(Aug. 28):868 and Mikhail A. Fedonkin and
    >Benjamin M. Waggoner, "The Late Precambrian Fossil Kimberella is a
    >Mollusc-like Bilaterian Organism," Nature, 388(1997):868-871,
    >
    >Annelids are first found in the Precambrian, not the Cambrian: "About 25
    >percent of the specimens collected at Ediacara are annelids. The most
    >common genus, Dickinsonia, may have survived into Paleozoic time. A
    >similar
    >form, Spinther, is still living as an ectoparasite on sponges." ~ Preston
    >Cloud and Martin F. Glaessner, "The Ediacarian Period and System: Metazoa
    >Inherit the Earth.", Science, 217, August 27, 1982, p. 788.
    >
    >And last but not least, phylum protozoa has been found in the Precambrian.
    >
    >Thus the claim that there are all animal phyla are first found in the
    >Cambrian is simply false. Christians need to be sure that their facts are
    >correct when they make claims which are supposed to support the Bible.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >glenn
    >
    >Foundation, Fall and Flood
    >Adam, Apes and Anthropology
    >http://www.flash.net/~mortongr/dmd.htm
    >
    >Lots of information on creation/evolution
    >

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