So then... What's your beef??? If you seem to think the study will "prove
your prayer life" I am at a loss as to what you fear from it. And what is
metaphysics anyway? I see the word "physics" in it - do you?
Best Wishes,
William - N6RKY
E G M wrote:
>
> One thing is to be a Calvanist and other a Mechanist, one does not
> imply or require the other because God does not necessarily have to
> conform to be only involved in the initial condition nor is he
> restricted, unless voluntarily, to work in the elect "to will and to
> do" mechanistically. Moreover, regarless of what you may think the
> sciences will or will not achieve, the NMR experiments on religious
> people (see NATURE) is precisely a sort of "Spirit-Detector", at least
> for the naturalistic scientist who restricts herself, by MN, to
> naturalistic explanations. BTW, I am one who believes that there is a
> fine connection between the physical and supernatural; the scientists
> finding a chemical responsible for my persistant prayer life (I wish)
> would be finding the "physical" cause of my experience without access
> to the pre- or supra- physical cause. However, the crucial point of
> the questions was not address by your short comment. Thanks anyway.
>
> EGM
>
> --- "William A. Wetzel" <n6rky@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > Hi E.G.
> >
> > If you believe that God works all things for the good of the elect...
> > The
> > issue of "mechanics" of faith should be no problem. As for naturalism
> > for
> > faith (it applies only in the physical sense). But the soul is where
> > it's
> > more than that. And until there is a "Holy Ghost Detector" I am sure
> > that
> > science will never answer (if any) transcending issues.
> >
> > The "Atom" was once a metaphysical concept - until the 20th century
> > :)
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> > William - N6RKY
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> > William - N6RKY
> >
> > E G M wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > I return to throw a few questiona in your brainstorming machinery
> > > prompted by an article in NATURE, where experiments on religious
> > > persons are proposed in order to identify the chemical substance(s)
> > > responsible for religious experience(s) such as prayer, the baptism
> > of
> > > the Holiy Spirit, etc. The article is to me alarming/disturbing
> > and
> > > even affensive since I am a Christian.
> > >
> > > A bit more before the questions. I understand that the
> > judeo-christian
> > > religion has "evolved" in the last 5k years or so. Obviously to me
> > > this type of "evolution" is short of being "naturalistic" since
> > several
> > > "supernatural" events plus the inspired revelation of the
> > scriptures
> > > ocurred, IMO, by interventions of the Divine in human affairs.
> > Now.
> > >
> > > Do you (teistic evolutionists) believe in the naturalistic
> > evolution of
> > > religion or religious experiences, in particular the judeochristian
> > > one?
> > >
> > > Would it bother you if scientists find a naturalistic explanation
> > for
> > > your faith to explain away your particular preference and devotion,
> > > etc.?
> > >
> > > Are they "wrong" for assuming a priori that there must be a
> > > naturalistic explanation for religious experiences (faith)?
> > >
> > > Is the Holy Spirit in you a chemical alteration that first took
> > place
> > > at conversion/baptism?
> > >
> > > Did this alteration happened supernaturally or naturally,
> > > mechanistically, as a meme propagation/replication?
> > >
> > > Well those are enough for now. I will hang up and "listen" to your
> > > comments. Thank you very much. And don't forget your mother this
> > > weekend.
> > >
> > > EGM
> > >
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