Better places than talk.origins to start.

James Mahaffy (mahaffy@dordt.edu)
Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:46:10 -0600 (CST)

Folks,

Steve Schimmrich is someone who I respect as a brother in Christ and and
someone who has gathered excellent material on his web site (It is one I
use as a link for my students).

However, he did suggest sending folks to talk.origins While I haven't
followed it that much, that is the last place I would send folks. It is
my impression that forum is dominated by articulate and forceful folks
who general would classify evangelical faith with YEC and see both of
them as problems. This may be an overcharacterization - but it is
clearly a forum where the scientists are talking to the layity and I
suspect has some of the same problems that occur when scientists put on
their priestly robes and talk to layity. I know I was not impressed
when one of the evidences for evolution cited from that forum involved
sloppy nomenclature that put the algae being talked about in the wrong
division (phylum). Mind you it was just sloppiness - but that sort of
sloppiness usually get caught in journals. What I am suggesting is that
there does not have to be the same care used in peer reviewed journals
so you can say things or slant them and get away with it more on a forum
like that. Sure it may convince the layperson of the weakness of his
arguments, but I suspect would tend to do it in a way which would not
care if it shook up his faith. I would prefer to have people start
reading something like Ron Numbers in God and Nature. He is a real
philosopher of science who knows the creationists and writes well about
their strengths and weaknesses.

>
> I don't have time to type case studies but if you're really interested, here
> are some resources to get you started...
>
> Browse the Talk Origins archives
> (http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs.html)
> for many interesting refutations of YEC claims. I would especially
> recommend
> the section http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-creationists.html for
> essays
> like "A Creationist Exposed", "Suspicious Creationist Credentials",
> "Creationist
> Whoppers", etc.
>
> Read "Science & Earth History" by Arthur Strahler (1987, Prometheus Books)
> for refutations of almost every YEC claim.
>
> Give me a specific claim relating to geology (my field) and I'll steer
> you toward several references refuting that claim.

-- James F. Mahaffy                   e-mail: mahaffy@dordt.eduBiology Department                 phone: 712 722-6279Dordt College                      FAX 712 722-1198Sioux Center, Iowa 51250