Re: NABT statement

Allan Harvey (aharvey@boulder.nist.gov)
Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:54:19 -0600

Craig R. continued a discussion of "natural processes" and what God might
have to do with them. His "TA" abbreviation means "theistic action":
>
> Allan Harvey says,
>>the problem comes when we consider "natural processes" and
>>"things God does" to be disjoint sets, when Biblically the first is a
>>subset of the second.
>
> In my version of the "definitions" we were debating 10 days ago (before
>I left for Colorado) there are 3 possibilities: MATTER IN RANDOM MOTION
>(with matter and natural laws,... sustained by God), SMOOTHLY-BLENDING
>THEISTIC ACTION, and MIRACULOUS-APPEARING THEISTIC ACTION. Yes, I consider
>all of these to be "things God does" (in agreement with Allan) -- but if we
>don't make it clear that the final two can also occur, our views can easily
>be confused with deism or atheism, rather than making a clear statement
>about theism.

I think it is counterproductive to only use the term "action" to apply to
the last 2 of these 3. That implies that God is not "acting" in
everything else, and leads to the Sagan/Johnson picture where things go
on independently of God except in rare (Johnson) or probably nonexistent
(Sagan) cases of "action" or "intervention". As an aside, I don't know
that we have any way of distinguishing #1 and #2 anyway, making this a
less useful distinction.

> <snip> But a claim that "evolution is a
>natural process" -- which declares that TA *cannot* have occurred -- is
>not compatible with a theistic view. }

Wait a minute. Even accepting for a moment the idea of TA as a useful
concept, calling something a "natural process" doesn't equate to saying
that TA *cannot* have occurred. It is at most a statement of belief that
TA *did not* occur -- in other words that they believe that no
supernatural intervention entered into the process. But saying that a
specific process is not a result of supernatural intervention is not a
statement that there is no supernatural whatsoever.

I go back to the question of describing lightning and thunder as "natural
processes". Is this objectionable for theists? I think not, even though
the Bible tells us those are God's doing. What is *fundamentally*
different about the evolution of life that makes it _a priori_ atheistic
to call it "a natural process" when it is OK to use such language about
other processes in God's creation?

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